Ship Living Quarters

2009-11-30 [Evolution X]: This page will be for RPing on the streets

2009-12-11 [Lord Josmar]: Awsome, will i have to go to the Ship Quarters wiki if i burst into someone's house.

2009-12-11 [Evolution X]: If it's someone MAIN yes, if not I'd stick to here. The Ships Quarters is mainly just seperating rooms

2009-12-12 [Lord Josmar]: Ok. Thats what i figured.

2009-12-14 [Ravenclaw]: Who's playing him?

2009-12-15 [Lord Josmar]: Uuummmm. idk.

2009-12-15 [Ravenclaw]: awesome Josmar, you set this up wonderfully lol.

2009-12-15 [Lord Josmar]: Lolz. Gracias. I posted yesterday, but my phone fucked up and lost my post so I got mad.

2009-12-16 [Ravenclaw]: I wanna say something about how all the good lawyers dying when earth exploded.

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: aww, prostitution isn't legal in the future?

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: NO!

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: psh, I'm with you Pnelma. Depressing...

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: No prostitution, earn it the usual way >_<

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: With alchohol? *snicker* Oh you meant money! lol

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: laaaame.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: baaaaaaaaaaaad peoples >_< Naughty bad.

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: look. Some of us are awesome at flying. Some of us have leadership skills. Some of us can do science to things. And some of us are really great in bed. Now why can't that last group make money doing what they love? ;)

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: why can't they be both GOOD IN BED and GOOD AT SOMETHING ELSE?

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: some people just aren't. some people are just gifted like that. For god sakes man, what if you told Albert Einstein he could be smart, but couldn't make money doing science? that's just wrong!

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: What if you told Albert Einstein he could be smart, or he could make probably lots more money and have much less hassle by having sex with people?

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: That doesn't apply here, because it would be MORE hassel and probably LESS money for them to go to school, and learn to do something else. Why not just let them do what they are good at?

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: Because it DOES apply here, because if Albert Einstein just went and had sex with people instead of doing science we would probably be decades behind where we are right now. It is illegal because I do not wish to encourage such acts, and want the people of the new world to try their bests to become useful and active members of society. Instead of prostitutes.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Ok Evo-kun... just seems silly, and I still don't think it applies, because you are saying we shouldn't have them choose to do sex. That's not what I am saying. I'm saying you are asking them to stop doing something they enjoy, and are good at, and make a good living at, and go to school which will cost money, and take years to complete, and all that, to get a high enough paying job... All because you are squeamish about it.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: Nooo, and at what point are you thinking they are going to learn that they are good at sex here? A large part of schooling will be done by the time they are old enough to consider sex. I'm just thinking as the commander of a ship, even if they aren't enjoying any other path, I would rather have people who are doing something with a purpose that they aren't exactly happy with over doing something they are happy with that doesn't serve a purpose for the ship. Even then, consider the idea that they enjoy it, but they aren't good at it, or they enjoy it AND still are good at it, but don't make a decent living off of it?

2009-12-18 [Chel.]: My 2 cents: Even if prostitution isn't legal in your future....it's still gonna happen. So are drug deals, murders and suicides.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Ah suicide is not illegal... just failing to pull it off is.

2009-12-18 [Chel.]: Hah! Good point.

2009-12-18 [Chel.]: Wait... yes it is. If you are caught attempting suicide. They throw you in jail.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: But you haven't succeeded and actually done it, have you? No, you failed to pull it off.

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: You can be part of a brothel and have class, you know. There are brothels who will pay most if not all of a lady in red's tuition if she chooses to pursue a college degree.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Another good point.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: But I do not find "brothel" to be a very useful aspect to have in a city. While they might pay for ladies to have educations and college degrees, you could have a place that does something similar that has more of a useful output. Say somewhere that does small time, short term jobs for money, hiring people out and using the money it collects to then sponsor people onto degrees.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Not everyone wants to do a day's work for a day's pay.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: Then why become a prostitute? I'm not suggesting it isn't a job in itself, I'm just saying I could think of things better than doing so. I would not encourage prositution, I am aware it will happen, and that it can be very hard at time (giggity) but I would rather see other alternatives.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Why would someone want to do odd jobs, or anything really, if they aren't very smart or skilled and love having sex?

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: They wouldn't.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Exactly.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: And I don't care. Do something productive instead of doing something you like.

2009-12-18 [Chel.]: Or a pimp?

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: yeah, but if it's legal you can tax it. :D

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: A gain for a city that would not head anywhere

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: what? please! a city's government can ALWAYS use heavier taxes.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: to spend on?

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: absolutely.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: But there would be very little drive in a city that did not encourage you to do something challenging.

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: if prostitution became a profession it would become fairly competitive I imagine. Good money and good hours, too, for those paying for further education. Plus we'll need to keep our populations up, eh? ;)

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: I don't think I'd like to see to what depths people would go for "challenging prostitution"

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: of course there would be an application process.. make sure you were good enough for it...

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: "challenging prostitution"? Keeping in mind that brothels get away with being called 'escort service' this would also include harems, hosts and entertainment (like geishas). Plus we're catering to more than one species here.

2009-12-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: You'd have to get licensed :D

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: I'm sure there would be a union too, like in Las Vegas..

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: So what would happen if they failed to get in through this application process? And I still dispute usefulness

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: All work and no play makes people very dull... and cranky. And if they failed, they would apply for something else.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: What something else? Why didn't they apply for this to begin with? And I never said no fun, just no prostitutes

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Why apply for a job at McDonalds, when Walmart pays better? Lesser of two evils and what not...

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: because in mac Donalds you aren't selling your body for repeated use as "tension relief", and in Mac Donals there's a chance you might go somewhere.

2009-12-18 [Ravenclaw]: No, they tell you that there is room for advancement but you never get higher than swing manager if you don't totally sell out and devote yourself to the company. So yeah, it is like prostitution.

I spent four years under the golder arches and I still want my life back.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: Further than I can see prostitutes going... and there's always been trouble leaving that trade

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: not the respectable stuff... just where pimps are concerned...

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: but people who are going to not become the "respectable" version might not go onto other jobs, but become the less respectable version.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: why would they do that when the respectable version is just as nice, but with respect, and more money?

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: Maybe the "respectable" version asks for certain aspects, which they don't fit? Or they find they don't get enough money for their tastes because there are rules now? What's wrong with just getting a normal job?

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Because it causes feelings of hopelessness... make people VERY unhappy.... kill themselves or others.... And it's not about that Evo-kun, it's the fact that some people would CHOOSE that life, and you shouldn't force them to pick something else just because you don't like it. I don't like car mechanics, but I don't say 'don't to that, it's yucky'.

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: It's not that I don't like prostitutes, I just think there could be more functional jobs that people could be happy with. I just think you're saying a very unreasonable situation where people can have no hope in any other job other than prostitution.

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: I would suspect a nymphomaniac would have trouble... But anyway, what if you just want to be a prostitute? Why should you be denied what you want, because somebody else decided it's not productive enough?

2009-12-18 [Evolution X]: Why should we allow people to live a less productive life, just because they say it's "what they want"? If someone you knew had great potential, could become a great innovator in the forms of science or technology, but preferred sex more so wanted to become a prostitute, what would you tell them?

2009-12-18 [Artsy]: Be safe.

2009-12-18 [Ravenclaw]: Let us not forget that the average "escort" can make up to $500 a night with just one client. Lots of normal people go into jobs like stripping and escorting to put themselves threw college.

2009-12-19 [Chel.]: App process:
"Why yes, I'm fluent in oral and anal. I majored in sex and have a minor in bondage."

2009-12-19 [Flisky]: If you think about it, having a prostitute on board isn't a bad idea. If someone gets a little...drunk and stressed, then instead of say, raping someone, they can go to one of the brothel members...I don't know, just saying.

2009-12-19 [Evolution X]: why does drunk and stressed immediatley lead to rape? Why can't you just go to the super market and yell at random fruit? And wouldn't there be some sort of standards? Like angry drunk guys are likely to really hurt you if you do something like that?

2009-12-19 [Chel.]: Why are you so against a few man/lady whores? Everyone needs a good bone.

2009-12-19 [Flisky]: You've never been accosted by an angry drunk guy, then, I take it...But at least there would still be that release. This is supposed to be a 'human' sort of people, right? (I know, there are aliens, which is why I used quotations.) Ladies of the Night have been used in many civilizations to 'keep the peace' so to speak. *shrugs* But, like I said, I was just saying.

2009-12-19 [Evolution X]: no I haven't been accosted by an angry drunk guy... Drunk guy yes (possibly horny... ick). And can I just ask WHAT THE HELL? I didn't even say it was illegal to begin with, Josmar and RC did. I backed them up, then started a little arguement for entertainments sake about the purpose of the job, and reasons why it should be legal.
So far all I've gotten is "because it makes people feel good", which I don't think is a very good reason for making things legal. I'm pretty sure cannabis, meth and killing people makes some people feel good, and that is still illegal; why, because of the cultural upbringing of the leaders and the following "morals" of the people. We consider these things bad because of the way we were brought up, which gives us out reasons for judging things over other things. I was raised in the spirit of competition, you do better than the other kids and you get this special prize! You are judged by doing better by how how functional you are, how driven you are to succeed and how useful you are in life. I have been brought up in a system that says "because I like it" is not a good reason. But I recognise this, which means I can change my view, but I need people to put forward enough of an arguement that goes PAST "Because it makes me feel good", or at least some relavant reason why feeling good is better than functionality, and how the two can have no reason of mixing.
Are we done?

2009-12-19 [Flisky]: *shrugs* Meh. I was just commenting. *can't keep thoughts to self* ^_^

2009-12-19 [Evolution X]: I'm just saying, I have a problem accepting "because it feels good" as an answer. And I don't encourage keeping thoughts to yourself, that's boring and doesn't inspire arguements like this.

2009-12-19 [Flisky]: I really like the way they did it in "Firefly" and "Serenity". Companions were highly respected and trained, there were blacklists, and specific rules to being with a companion.

2009-12-19 [Artsy]: I think it would be a great job.. hired to be a companion.. to take care of a person's physical needs like sex, cooking food, massages, maybe even helping them bathe, as well as companionable ones like just talking or if you need a 'date' for some event...

Humans are social creatures. We need companionship, but we have been raised, most of us, in societies that frown upon any intimate companionship outside the realm of monogamous relationships, which is really limiting and frustrating to a good portion of the society. So should we deny others such necessary companionship, simply because they do not wish to commit to the person they are with? I don't think so... I think that would be forcing your will on another human being, and none of us have the right to do that...

And hiring a companion should be a personal choice, just like applying to be a companion. What if it wasn't just about sex, Evo-kun? What if it was a companion thing? Where you could relax, and be taken care of by someone, impart your trust on them, without feeling the stress of 'where will this go?''will i be with them forever?''do i want to be with this person, just this person, forever?''will they even want to marry me... or do they just want this?'?

2009-12-19 [Chel.]: Let's have a vote?

2009-12-19 [Evolution X]: I would hope that if someone were in a relationship it would be less of a control based affect, and there would be equal amounts of enjoyment and purpose on both parts...
But I do admit, the idea of a "companion" sounds better than a prostitute, it takes it away from basic instinct of simply sex. In order to be willing enough to look after them in such a way, cook food and be someone there to confide in, I think this would involve more drive than just having sex. They would be a carer, a therapist and yes, possibly a prostitute as well. I think this would be an acceptable middle ground.

2009-12-19 [Artsy]: Alright, agreement reached. Motion passed. *bangs gavel* meeting adjourned.

2009-12-19 [Flisky]: *gets up an has complimentary cookie* Well, not that that is settled.

2009-12-19 [Evolution X]: *noms my own cookie* mmmm... arguement cookies. Who has the milk?

2010-01-07 [Mrs Vicious.]: .... *blinks and shuffles off quickly*